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I guess my main takes from reading the Deeper Dive report are:

1) Vaccination was important to reduce hospitalization and death in the older population..notably 70 and up but even 60 and up. We knew the elderly were the main ones at risk from very early on so not sure why we all needed to get the vaccination. I b.elieve its even more nuanced than this. It was often people with comorbidities that died and had serious health issues and of course this is way more likely in the elderly. But I am pretty sure healthy elderly people with no comorbidities likely did quite well without the vaccine.

We should have made sure the elderly got the shots especially the sick elderly and put resources into isolating them notably in nursing homes. The unvaccinated in these age groups were multiple times more likely to be in the hospital or die.

2) Not sure what the point of their point 2 is? Of course early on most cases were in unvaccinated as nobody was vaccinated and eventually the vast majority of people were vaccinated hence most hospital cases and deaths were in the vaccinated. The real question which do they do get to later is what are the rates of hospitalization and death per 100000 in both groups.

3) Their point 3 makes no sense to me other than make it appear that the vaccines were completely uselesss. By just showing the actual number of cases in the hospital without taking into account the size of the vaccinated versus unvaccinated group is misleading. For instance they show roughly 5 to 6 times more vaccinated people in the hospital by June 2022. Yet by then 85 percent or more of the population was vaccinated. In the 60+ group it was 92 percent which were the most likely to be in the hospital. Hence there were 6 to 11 times more vaccinated people than unvaccinated people in the population. Luckily they make up for this in points 4 to 7. There is also no mention of the fact that the unvaccinated are going to clearly be a younger healthier group hence way less likely to have severe outcomes in any case. The weakest in society of course would all be taking the vaccine but even so in many cases it was not enough as they were such sick people to begin with.

4) There were clearly many vaccine injuries notably among the youngest who had no benefit in taking the vaccine. They were the ones screwed the most in the end. They and many of us were effectively forced to take it otherwise no job, no school, no activities, no travel and no life. Thats having a gun at your head so anyone who tells me no one was forced can stuff it.

Even though I agree with what this report is trying to say it felt like they were trying to present the information at times in a way to really make it look like the vaccines were totally useless when in fact they were quite useful for the elderly (likely the sick elderly). I think they could have worded their points 2 and 3 in a more objective way and still make the case.

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